Metallica – Ride The Lightning (S7 E36)

Join Mike and Phil as they discuss the classic 1984 Metallica album Ride the Lightning! In this episode, they talk about how this album took thrash metal to new heights with incredible tracks like “Creeping Death,” “Ride the Lightning,” and “For Whom the Bell Tolls.”

Hear their thoughts on Metallica’s evolution beyond their debut as they explore the more melodic songs like “Fade to Black” and the epic instrumental closer “Call of Ktulu.” They analyze the lyrics, guitar work, and arrangements that made this record so groundbreaking. Even non-favorites like “Escape” and “Trapped Under Ice” get some reflection.

Whether you’re a long-time Metallica fan or new to their music, this funny and insightful discussion will give you a whole new appreciation for why Ride the Lightning remains one of the greatest thrash metal albums of all time. Get ready to ride the lightning with the latest episode of the Sounds On Vinyl show!

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Hey, hey, welcome to the Sun's a Vano show the only show on the planet that will make your fucking ears bleed

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My name is Phil Boyer and the guy sitting next to me in the abyss of darkness

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Is Lucifer himself? No, no, it's mr. Mike's fencing Mike

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How's it going down there in the darkness? Oh?

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It's it's dark all right. I mean it's I mean Jesus November

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My god in Sweden Jesus Christ

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I'll tell you like here. We didn't even have a feel like we didn't even have an autumn

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No here it went from like 70 degrees and

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Then like two days later. We had like an inch of snow on the ground. Oh my god, and it's since

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You know melted away, but we were depending like the 40s and 50s, but still yeah, it's like there's no fall here

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It just went like

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Right to winter man. Oh my god

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we're still in our 50s and and

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well

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Between 1555 at the moment, so it's it's it's pretty good, but but still we got autumn

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I mean all the all the leaves change colors and so forth so and and

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Just a couple of weeks ago. We were in our like 70s, so it's it's crazy. Yeah, the weather's nuts

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Yeah, it is yeah, we got the leaves changing to we got all the leaves on the ground and everything

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It's not like the one year like in oh

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2008 when we were filming our short film horror film

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And we were about to go out and film and it had been snowing it started snowing in early morning and this is

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like

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Late September this is like the 28th 30th somewhere right in there, right?

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Yeah, and we ended up getting

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Something in the neighborhood of like five inches six inches of snow

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Well, the thing is all the leaves are still on the trees at that point and it was just all the wet snow and the weight of the leaves

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Yeah, we had all these branches

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falling down

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cutting power

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All this stuff and we were gonna film at the park

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Which is right around the corner from us and it's like a bunch of trees

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So we couldn't film that day because it was too dangerous because of the trees farming

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They were like big oak trees that are falling across streets and stuff. It was insane

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She's insane, but yeah, so it wasn't like that

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Thankfully, but this year but anyway enough about the weather. Are you ready? Yes, right? Oh?

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Oh, am I ready?

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damn I

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Wonder if I've been this much ready for anything. I don't know. Maybe it was some kiss stuff that we did

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I don't know this is I mean

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Let it rip man. Let it rip Metallica ride the lightnings and if you're watching the video we can clearly see that

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It's awesome. It's uh

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What do you say about it? I think there we go the good old Alvin cover you see

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Got a habit on vinyl

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Yeah

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Look at the truck one pretty face

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Look at the pretty faces those young kids my god, there we go. Yeah, they were young back then man with people's

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Now and now they're all old and yeah cranky like us and oh

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My god, I mean this album first of all, I mean

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This is the first album with Metallica. I heard back to back

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Uh, I think it's also the first album that I bought with my own money

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It's a little bit hazy. It could have been monster puppets because back in those days

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I I didn't have enough money so I recorded them on cassette tapes from from friends

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But I think it was actually right lightning that was my first Metallica album

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I heard some stuff from kill em all but I I at that point. I didn't know that

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That was Metallica. So I remember I am going to my friend's house

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And it's sort of like sneaky with with with an album trying to hide it. So I got a new album

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So tell him listen to this and I remember I

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Mean to this day I

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heard the opening track the acoustic guitar

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for fight fire with fire and

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And I think it out

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This is this is not too bad

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it's because I'm into kiss and I'm into to white snake and and

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Maiden and the flapper and and and whatnot and all of a sudden this acoustic guitar and

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Harmony man, it's it's kind of cool and so forth and then all of a sudden pure fucking mayhem. I

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Mean it's it's nuts to this day. I'm I'm I'm

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doing I'm leaning back because we're sitting in front of his speakers in his in his

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room that he

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in his parents house and and we're sitting there and and

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He just cranked it when the guitars came in and

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I it was like it's I mean pure energy

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It scared the shit out of me at first but then I mean there is something about that

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That's the same experience that I had with kiss and I really didn't think that I was going to experience that

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Over again, but it was like that and it's sort of like it frightened me at first

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But then sort of like titillating. I mean it's you had to go back

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You had to oh, can I record this on cassette tape?

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And I had to have it with me in in my in my walkman and it's fucking insane

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Fight fire with fire man. What's your take in this?

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You know cuz I my first experience with Metallica was with Kill em all so I pop this on

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And I'm like, okay. This is a bit different

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This is a bit different than the last record. What were they trying to do with us? It's kind of mellow. It's like, okay, and

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You know, I guess you know

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Looking back now, I guess that they were foreshadowing the black album a little bit like hey, okay, but but then like you said the guitars

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Kick in it gets heavy and I'm in some ways that was even heavier than kill them all

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Yeah, there's a lot of songs on this record that it's got you know

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It's got a little bit of a different sound to it than kill em all did the guitars seem like they've got a different tone or something to

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But in a lot of ways this was a little heavier than kill em all and I was I

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Was quite surprised and pleased

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Not crazy about the vocals on this one though, I

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Don't know. I just don't like the way it's sung and

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But everything else the music behind it's really good. Yeah

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So are you one of those guys that that wish that it was like only the first demo?

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No life to letter and everything is a sellout. No

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Because you're I actually think kill em all is a the songs are better

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Yeah, no life to leather versions. Those are cool to listen to because they're the demos but yeah, the

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Kill em all release was way better produced and played and yeah

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But comparison to right lightning and mustard puppets. Do you wish that they?

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Didn't develop themselves

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No, no, no, well for

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Black I've made my feelings known about the black. Yeah, and yeah, I mean you mentioned it

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First the first four records for me. That's Metallica everything beyond that. Yeah, they evolved too much

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Into but you're all but you said on this album. They are already foreshadowing in what's to come

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I mean with the well that was more or less a joke. I mean with the

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Okay, just that was just because it's mellow in stock that was just a goof that was alright

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I'm getting scared man. No, no, no

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That was just a joke. I had a scare a couple of years ago

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If there's people out there still listening is I'll go back and check out the the episode we did on the black album

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I nearly shit my pants so much hate so much

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record

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Eat that fucking record. Oh

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My god second track right a lightning just keep things moving. What do you think?

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Yes, I like the rumbling in the beginning of this one. Yeah, you know how the rumbling goes from

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Flight fire fire into ride the lightning and then you got this riff that kicks in and it's just so epic

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I mean and then the rhythm and it's like oh fucking hell

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This is just this is the music on this one is better than the first song. Yeah, it's just it's like, okay

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It's it's just keeps going and I'm listening to this

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To prepare for the show and I'm like, you know what? I don't know if

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Metallica technically invented thrash, but this song definitely defines. Oh, yeah metal. I think I think I mean it's

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We're gonna go through this even more as we move along with all the other songs, but it's it's like

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It's something that that you hadn't heard before I mean the heaviness and and James's vocal and the lyrics man

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Yeah, me the lyrics

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Guy going sitting in the electric chair

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Yeah fried and all the stuff that's going through his head and you're like yeah shit

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Yeah, that lyrics like that. Oh no metal band like this from a thrash metal band maiden. Yes

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Yeah, it's how like a no no and and do you I thought about deal

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With all the dragons and and and swords and all that stuff, but this is like it speaks to you

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It's like in your face did

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They did he's describing a real real things. I mean it's sort of like holy shit. What the fuck

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But I just love this song too

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I mean the pounding drums in the intro and and like you said the noisy

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Starts and and how it breaks into the heaviness and James vocals man. Oh man. It's a great song

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Yeah, the two and a half minute mark wrist those down a little bit right before the solo. Oh, yeah, and then you know

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It reminds me of what?

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Electricity would sound like as it's yeah through someone's nervous. Yeah, and just oh

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It's it's just it's it's so

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So chaotic. Yeah, it's just this heavy chaos

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That's just like pounding you it just I don't know man. It was great. It's a great song great. It is

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All right next track for whom the bell tolls

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One of my favorite songs ever oh

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Metallica I mean me too. Yes, fuck this is just the first couple of minutes or so is just so epic this long

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intro

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It's just so heavy and so oh, yeah melodic and just so and that's that's the first time I heard

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Heard a bass player you using a wow a pedal like I mean like guitar players do I mean its cliffs going

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Nuts on the wow pedal for intro. I mean it's in fucking sane

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I've seen some some shows that he did in the early 80s

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When when right lightning just came out and it's it's sort of like

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He placed the bass guitar like it's it's a freaking freaking guitar man

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It's it's insane

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I mean how he does with its fingers and and he plays with the fingers not what not with a pick but it

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It's insane

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My god, yeah, I just love this song for so many reasons. It's

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It's been with me. It's my all-time favorite song with them

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It's

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Nothing like you ever heard before love the lyrics

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also a thing that

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James

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Took from Hemingway story. I think it was about the Spanish war or something like that and and it's it's

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describes how

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How people are in general when when it comes to war like he did with right lighting he describes

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Person it's it's right there in your face

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The feelings that you get from people around

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It's it's nuts. Yeah, it's such a great song

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Yeah

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Yeah, I love the bells both in the beginning and at the oh, yeah, it just ties ties it all together

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Yeah

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And there's a lot of chaos in the end. I'm gonna use that word a lot chaos for this

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But you know too bad Dave didn't learn anything and his time in Metallica

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Yeah, maybe played chaos a little better than he does. Yeah these days, but you never know no, it's it's it's I mean

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well

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Yeah, no

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It's nuts and I just love a hearing hearing

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For whom the bell tolls live also. It's it's something else. I don't like the live version. Oh, you don't know

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They do something to it and I just I don't it's just not quite the same. It's one of the few

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Metallica songs that I don't like live. Oh, I just love it. I

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Just love what when when they start I mean back in the day

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when they started out and and you got

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Cliff some space

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Just that in the beginning and he just let it fucking rip. I mean Jesus Christ that that

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That dude was a musical genius

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He was he was the Jimi Hendrix of base. Yes. Yes. There you go. Oh shit. I'm gonna steal that

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It was the Jimi Hendrix of base. Yes, he was nobody nobody Steve Harris is good, but oh, yeah

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Nobody did what

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What cliff did no no no with the harmonies and and whatnot. I mean he could play the piano also

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He did a lot of harmony and he taught both both James and Kirk about

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Harmonies and bring it into the music and so forth and I on this album. You can really hear it

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It it's it's so good

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This this album you're asking me if I was one of the purists with kill em all

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Kill em all is a great record. Mm-hmm. It's a heavy record

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This is more and as we get into the next song fade to black. This is a more

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Orchestral record. Yeah, that makes sense. It's it's so as you were saying there's a lot more

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Harmony melody there. There's a lot of stuff

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Going on I use the word chaos, but it's organized chaos. It's it's this well orchestrated

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piece of

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Music that they're putting together with this album. Yeah, and and you look at like fade the black

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This is an orchestral piece

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Yes, this isn't just a regular song and even we'll skip forward just for a second to the final track all of Cthulhu

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That's just not

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That's just not an instrumental. That's something completely

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Different and I think when you talk about Cliff's involvement

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In in the writing and in putting these songs together. I think that's why Metallica never recovered

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after his death because

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Metallica was never gonna be the same again. It could no no no of course when you when you lose that kind of talent

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Yeah, it's like oh you can't

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But but it's it's wouldn't you agree that it's completely insane on on your second album that you release

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you tend to go I

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Mean off a bit from like the thrash thing and then you get all the instrumental parts and and

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What not orchestral things and it it's dawning on you. It is like released in 1984

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And I I think that Metallica was ahead of the time

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With their music. I mean especially on from right lightning to monster puppets and so forth. I mean, it's it's insanely

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Developed if you know what I mean, it's not thrash in a can like Slayer. It's you play fast and and

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And it's all blood and guts and and and then it's over

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I mean Metallica was like you said it's orchestral

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You got that thing going on where you work with the harmonies and and whatnot and it's still heavy as fuck

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Which I think is great

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Yeah, I mean you look at

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um

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Some of the like fade to black right it's you you

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It's very orchestral. I mean if you've ever heard an orchestra cover it

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I mean you can tell it it probably didn't take a lot of work to translate that into an orchestra. No because it was already 90% there

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Right, but it's still it's still heavy. Oh, yeah. I mean there's there's this, you know

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The the two minute mark it gets heavy and it's just it's like holy mother of god. Where did this come from?

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I know right and it's just

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It's just and then it kind of just slows back down and goes into the next verse

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And then I don't know part of me is like is this a ballad?

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Could you consider this a ballad and by Metallica standards? But I mean it this this is how ballad should be

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Yeah, and then and then you listen to the lyrics

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Which is about suicide and then you go. Oh my god

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This dude can describe things like in an eerie way

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And but it's it's still it it speaks to you in a certain way, which is it's crazy

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I mean, I I never heard anything like this and I I probably never will but it's I mean

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I come closer a couple of times, but I don't know

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Metallica's where I like thing man. Oh man

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Yeah, the the four minute mark on here when it gets heavy

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And that the the guitar riff in that kind of reminds me of a violin again going back to that orchestra

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Yeah, and I love I love violin. It's it's one of my favorite next to the guitar. It's one of my favorite strings

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Instruments, I just I love it. Um

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I just want to make a shout out to all those that lived in LA during nineteen in the eighties

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Who remember k&a c and when k&a c went away the only

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Metal station in LA if you can believe that there was only one and this thing died

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They took it away. This was the final song that they played

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Oh

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My god, they they left the world with

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Faith the black. Oh my god

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It was just it was an epic way to go out

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Whatever the program director was that that made that decision was a genius because it was it was the perfect song to go out on and

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Yes, and then we had nothing

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Yeah, we had no metal in LA. I mean

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Just blows my mind man that a place like LA had no

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In in like the late eighties

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No no metal station

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Mm-hmm. My god. Yeah, there you go. Land of the free home of the brave

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All right next song trapped under rice

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I'm trapped under rice

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Not a fan. No the fan. Okay, something about it can't put my finger on it. Um, some about it annoys me

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I can talk something about it annoys me. I just

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I don't know what it is. I mean, it's not that it's a bad song

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I mean, I'm not gonna go out on my way to skip the song or anything like that

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um, I just I don't know but I do love the riff at the two minute mark

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And I think metal church stole that and what's the song the spell can't be broken

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I feel like that riff at the towards the end of that song is very similar to to that

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In here and trapped under ice. Yeah

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So

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It could be wrong, but

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Well, I I I dig it. I mean, it's

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We're back in business with like thrash it. It reminds me of of uh

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Some of the the songs that could easily have been on on on kill them all

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Just love the power of the song the crunchy guitar riffs

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Of course not not a um, huge favorite, but but it's it's it's still there pounding drums and and so forth

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And I I just love how how metallica just brought in everything up and when they wrote songs

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I mean you could do

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You could do for whom to bet holes fate of lack and all of a sudden you got the song like trapped under ice and

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um

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The tempo changes and so forth. I mean, he's they got a unique style and and there is a

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somewhat finesse to to everything they do and it's

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I wouldn't it's like you say I don't skip it. It's not not a favorite

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But it's it's supposed to be in the mix if you know what I mean

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Yeah, if you took it out, it's some something was going to be missed

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So, uh, I I I dig it trapped under ice

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Okay, skate. Yeah, it's like six. Hmm. Well, um, maybe I'll go with

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I steal the oil line is not a favorite

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So

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I'd like to I'd like to escape from it as well. Oh

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Yeah, it's it's decorous

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It's like whiny. It's yeah, it's you know

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I just I don't know man. It's like are you a thrash band or you some whiny little bitch again

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Maybe it's left over from the Dave Mustaine days. I don't know

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It could be because it it kind of

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Sounds like a whiny bitch mega death song kind of I wouldn't go that far but but it's it's not one of the strongest songs on the album

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but but I

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Still think he'd get something. I mean, I like the lyrics and james singing on it and and

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Some of the crowns you could towers but but now

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I'm with you to to a certain extent, but but I don't know

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I don't know

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I don't know. Okay. So so we're escaping from this one we're escaping from this one into the next one into the next one

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Creeping death. Yes. I mean it's fucking creeping death

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It is. What do you say it like it's I don't know. We all know and love this song. It's it's uh, again live

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Fucking hell this one. Oh, yeah fucking epic live. Yeah

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and we I mean

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Um me in Texas my son we were up in Gothenburg

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Last summer and and now it was actually this summer for crying out loud june

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Uh, and whereas because they're doing two completely different sets

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They play like two two nights

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Um in in Gothenburg. So and if you went to both of them you got like

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Somewhere around like 35 different songs if you want. So we we only had

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Uh enough money to go to one of them because he wasn't cheap

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I'll tell you that

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but uh

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We wished for

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A couple of songs we wished for creeping death

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monster puppets

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I was wishing for

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some of the more

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obscure songs from from uh monster puppets

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Uh, and I think we oh sick and destroy also

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and

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lo and behold creeping death was the opening

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Song so we were both. Oh my this is

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Of two good start. So and and for me this song. I'm beginning a history buff

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I always love the lyrics to this song. It's about moses and and the templates of egypt

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uh and

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From the crushing intro to the heavy guitars and drums. I mean

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sort of like I think

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When I hear this song is it's sort of like a battle cry for james when he sings it. It's so powerful

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It's a it's a freaking monster piece

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It's such a great song

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Also, one of my all-time favorite metallica songs

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Yeah, yeah, it's uh, but the solo is magical. Yes. I just love the solo and the part right after

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The solo it's just like fucking hell. Yeah, it's like it's it's game over. It's just it's awesome. And then you get to the

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die

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die

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Die

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Especially live man when they do that it just die

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The crowd's chanting die across the land

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Killing first born man

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Oh my god

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It's fucking great. It's it's it's it's an iconic song

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well deserved

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Oh, yeah, my opinion and and

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Yes, and and I was thinking

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This would actually be a great song to close the record out

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Oh, yeah, right the way it ends the way. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, which is it's this epic song just okay. We're done, but no

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No, they fade this bitch into call a katulu

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Yeah, and I

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I don't know what to say. I mean what we talked about this closing songs

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uh

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On albums that that we we did track by track or we just mentioned on the show or uh, whatever

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and

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Time and time again. We talked about

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Dudes, what the hell what why are you closing with a song like this and like that and and whatnot?

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and and

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Both you and I want

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One bands to go out with a bang and how typical is that that metallic ends with an instrumental song?

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I mean, I mean, it's it's so nuts to think about it and it's

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I don't know. I mean how many minutes is like seven or eight almost nine minutes. I think nine minutes long

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and it's

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I don't know and and it's like okay. No you guys made the right choice. This was a good way to close the record

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Yeah, it's a bold. It's a bold choice. It's a bold choice, man

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To do an instrumental, but it's again like I mentioned earlier. This is this is an orchestral piece

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Yeah, this isn't your run of the mill average instrumental song. No

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It's it's not like them jamming. It's not like whatever. This is

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This is just a beautiful piece of music. It is it really is and I mean, I mean just just the end

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And then

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Fucking hell and then they go again

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Oh my god

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Yeah, yeah, there's just so many layers and pieces to this song and it's yeah like

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Is it really just these guys playing this like it's it's kind of like this one and and like

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Fade to black and and some of these songs you're listening to just going is it really just these four guys?

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Is it really just them doing this? It's it's crazy and I was fortunate enough to get to see this song live

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because

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uh metallica in 2017 they they were coming to Copenhagen to to open up a new arena called the royal arena so they they

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It was four sold out shows if I remember it correctly

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And this was in february

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And it was really cold outside and and james, of course and of course

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He got a cold and had to stay in bed

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And they had to cancel one of the shows and had to came back come back later and and redo that one

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So I was pretty scared because I I had tickets for the show. Um a couple of days later

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and and

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They went ahead with this show, but but james told us well, I'm not

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Back 100 but I'll I promise you to do everything that I can

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to to to give you a great experience and

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To my knowledge call of cthulhu wasn't in the setlist

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But but since james had to to rest his voice

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They threw that one in and

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My god, am I happy that they did?

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Jesus, and I tell you it's just four people on stage doing this

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It is insane

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Insane yeah, like how how does this happen? How does this work?

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You know, I mean the the latest trend right now is all these guys using backing tracks and backing vocals and stuff

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It's like you you want to look at metallica and go you guys have to be doing that for some of these songs

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Yeah, but and you know part of me wouldn't care. I mean for me

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I'm about the experience and the music and we love these songs and if we

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If if the experience is going to be shit live because they can't do it live. I'm I'm okay with that

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I'm okay with it, but I'm not okay with backing tracks to replace like, you know

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Like they were saying like niki six can't play so all his stuff live was actually all fake

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And backing I don't know the truth to that or not, but you know that I'm not okay with but to enhance what's already there

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Yeah, I'm okay with that. I mean you got echoes on vocals

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You know, I mean if that's just an enhancement that's I see nothing wrong with that, right?

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I mean

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Maybe I'm alone in that. Maybe people want to see live. It's more raw. I kind of want

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The full experience. Yeah, and then you get this

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Mm-hmm and there's no turning back. There is no turning back

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Metallica always puts on

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a great show

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they do and

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My daughter texted

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A couple days ago and said that she's going to be in town

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in in december for um

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the

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Ski place up up to just the north of us. They're going to try to break the world's record for

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The amount of people skiing at one time. Oh

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And uh, she asked if we wanted to go. I'm like, no, I like my arms and legs intact. Thank you very much

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Skiing I've never skied before. I'm good. It's like, okay. Well, you won't be a world record holder then

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I'm like, sorry. I am

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Greatest biggest food fight during metallica show in the monsters of rock

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Where they had to stop the show

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Because they just got so fucking crazy

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Oh my god people were throwing food. They were up and it was just so crazy that metallica stopped

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It was 89. Oh my 80 889

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Jesus, I think what in LA LA calcium. Yeah

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It was fucking awesome, man. I mean that that that whole concert was just epic

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But you know, you got metallica coming on and just this food fight happens and they're like, hey

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We we're gonna stop if you guys don't settle down we're gonna have to stop the show and it's everything's canceled

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You got and so finally everybody settled down and then

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They came back on stage and finished their set, but it was it was fucking crazy, man

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My god, so much fun so much fun so much fun. It's what it's all about man. Yes

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Metallica ride the lightning. Yes

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Yeah, there we go. Go listen to it

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on final thoughts

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Fucking vinyl record go listen to it fucking right now man buy it

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Holding it upside down almost like this

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final thoughts 10 out of 10

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one of the best

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thrash metal

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metallic albums

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Heavy metal albums whatever you want to call it of all time

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In my opinion, it's pretty much not word for word, but what what I have written down here in my notes same thing

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Yeah

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Even even with those two songs that I don't like it's still

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This album defines thrash. Yeah, it's just there's no

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I don't think there's ever been a better thrash album and I include kill them all in master of puppets and that too

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by anything from exodus

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Slayer, I think this album is one of the best thrash records

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Ever made. Yeah, I agree. Totally agree

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And you know what I I kind of know a place

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Where you can buy this record? I'm guessing

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It's just yes the official sons on vinyl record store. Yes

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There we go. Mm-hmm come check it out

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We got some more Metallica. Maybe we got the black album for fill. Yes. Yes

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Maybe you could give the the fill

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This count on the black album and actually charge 10 more so people won't have to subject themselves to the stink to it

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Oh my god

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And we got some Metallica merch. We got some t-shirts

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From Metallica. So come check it out. Yes

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Sounds some vinyl record store in melmo sweden Krusegarten, Schiketree. There we go

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Mm-hmm. That's why I like do the swedish because yes

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I can do it. You try to do it. No way. No way

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No, no, I'll save that for you. I'll all right. We'll continue my swedish lessons offline offline

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All right

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All right, of course and with that

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Yes, we'll see you guys next time and we're gonna have an announcement next. Oh, yeah

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So yes, don't miss it. Stay tuned

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