Welcome to a monumental episode of the Sounds On Vinyl show, where hosts Phil Bowyer and Mike Svensson delve into the legendary Black Sabbath album “Mob Rules.” This episode is not only a deep dive into the iconic tracks but also marks a turning point for the show with not one, but two major announcements!
Phil and Mike bring their unique perspectives to each song, debating and dissecting the nuances of Black Sabbath’s work with Ronnie James Dio. From the electrifying “Turn Up the Night” to the haunting “Sign of the Southern Cross,” they explore the evolution of the band’s sound and Dio’s incomparable influence on the music.
But that’s not all! As this chapter of the Sounds On Vinyl show comes to a close, stay tuned for the huge announcements that set the stage for exciting new ventures. Discover what’s next for these passionate music aficionados, including a brand new Swedish podcast and an animated show!
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Credits:
Hosts:
- Mike Svensson
- Phil Bowyer
Intro & Outro:
- Voice Over: Kate Bowyer
- Music: Dead Anarchy
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Transcript
All right, welcome to the Sanzondvinal show.
Speaker:Mike is scared right now.
Speaker:I said something to the record we're going to go over today,
Speaker:and I kind of freaked them out a little bit.
Speaker:But this is the Sanzondvinal show.
Speaker:We have not one, but two announcements
Speaker:to make, big, huge, giant announcements to make.
Speaker:In fact, it's a little bit of a plot twist from what we were saying.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So this was going to be almost the last episode
Speaker:of the Sanzondvinal show.
Speaker:But you're going to have to wait to the end to see what's going on with that.
Speaker:Oh, detention.
Speaker:Detention.
Speaker:My name, as always, is Phil Boyer.
Speaker:The dude sitting next to me.
Speaker:And I say next to me.
Speaker:He's not really next to me because he's like 5,000 miles away in a whole
Speaker:another country and whole another thing crossed upon and everything.
Speaker:But his name is Mike Spensen, lead singer,
Speaker:extraordinaire of bands past, present and future record store owner.
Speaker:I have to have a business card.
Speaker:I have to have a business card list like this.
Speaker:I have to have a separate backpack or something.
Speaker:Put that shit out.
Speaker:It's yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So anyway, yeah, it's going to be a big, it's going to be a big episode.
Speaker:Big, big day, man.
Speaker:We got all kinds of it's lots of exciting shit going on.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Like I can't even believe it.
Speaker:I can't even believe it.
Speaker:And what I also can't believe is that this show will is.
Speaker:Going to sort of end where it began with a little band called Black Sabbath.
Speaker:Except.
Speaker:Yes, the mob rules are actually mob rules.
Speaker:It's interesting because the album is mob rules, but the song is the mob rules.
Speaker:Yes, interesting.
Speaker:But we'll get into it.
Speaker:We shall get into it.
Speaker:Yes, Black Sabbath, the record with the legendary Ronnie James Dio on vocals.
Speaker:Just phenomenal singer.
Speaker:We all know that I was in the car yesterday and our radios sucks here in
Speaker:in Idaho, but I was able to hear last in line on one of the classic rock
Speaker:stations. So that was.
Speaker:Oh my God.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Mm hmm.
Speaker:Love that.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:So Black Sabbath, the mob rules.
Speaker:This is freaking awesome.
Speaker:What are we going to talk about?
Speaker:First song, Turn Up the Night.
Speaker:Oh my God.
Speaker:I just love the intro on how it sets the tone for the entire song and album.
Speaker:Ronnie's voice, man.
Speaker:I mean, what more is there to say?
Speaker:I owe me solos.
Speaker:Pure awesomeness.
Speaker:I think it's a great.
Speaker:I just love this song.
Speaker:It's a great start for an album like this.
Speaker:It's a nox.
Speaker:You off your socks, if you know what I mean.
Speaker:It's I don't I I'm lost for words.
Speaker:Turn up the night.
Speaker:I do like that it starts off with the heavy right away.
Speaker:It does start out that way.
Speaker:Tony's guitar is spot on as you expect from from from a guy like him.
Speaker:Yeah, it's a good song.
Speaker:But I don't think it's anything extraordinary.
Speaker:Oh, I actually disagree.
Speaker:I think this is somewhat of a weak way to kick off the record.
Speaker:Unfortunately, I mean, I think you're wrong.
Speaker:Heaven and Heaven in Hell was so spectacular.
Speaker:That record was so amazing.
Speaker:And I feel like this didn't match up to it.
Speaker:It didn't line up.
Speaker:It wasn't.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:It just it was missing something.
Speaker:I don't know what, but it was missing that.
Speaker:It's like I said, it's still a good song.
Speaker:Don't get me wrong.
Speaker:It's I'll still listen to it.
Speaker:It's it's it's not like, you know, nothing else matters or anything.
Speaker:It's still a decent song.
Speaker:But I don't I think they could have started out a little stronger.
Speaker:Yeah. Hmm. OK.
Speaker:Well, you're wrong.
Speaker:But you're you're entitled to your opinion.
Speaker:You're entitled to be wrong.
Speaker:It's fine. Yes, it's fine.
Speaker:OK. So.
Speaker:So you take the lead on the next one, then.
Speaker:All right. Voodoo. Voodoo. Yes.
Speaker:It starts off awesome.
Speaker:I love the way it starts.
Speaker:It feels it's got more of a 70s vibe than an 80s vibe.
Speaker:I mean, sure, we're in early 80s, but it still it's got really that 70s vibe.
Speaker:It's got sort of a blues vibe, too.
Speaker:And yeah, a little bit of funk.
Speaker:I hear a little bit of funk going on in that.
Speaker:It's it's really unusual song for Black Sabbath.
Speaker:And obviously, Ronnie's vocals go really well with this.
Speaker:And I love the way he sings it.
Speaker:The solo is.
Speaker:Kickass. I mean, there's no other way to put it.
Speaker:It's kickass. And it sounds.
Speaker:Live, if you know what I mean.
Speaker:Oh, yeah. It has that like you're it was recorded on stage somewhere,
Speaker:not in a studio somewhere.
Speaker:This was actually one of my favorites on the record.
Speaker:I would have liked it to start up with this one.
Speaker:Yeah, I think they they record stuff live back in the day.
Speaker:I think that's that's the way they did it.
Speaker:So I think I agree with you.
Speaker:I mean, is there anything that Ronnie can't sing?
Speaker:No, I it's it's nuts.
Speaker:I agree with you with the bluesy thing on this.
Speaker:I mean, it's and I like how Vinny Apas
Speaker:is drum playing is so laid back and you can still hear him pound it off.
Speaker:And it's so man, it's so there is a certain finesse to its playing.
Speaker:I just love that about him.
Speaker:It seems so effortless when he plays.
Speaker:My God, Jesus.
Speaker:And I dig this song, too.
Speaker:I mean, it's it's oh, my God.
Speaker:I could see them starting off the album with this one, too.
Speaker:I agree. But but it's my God, voodoo, Jesus.
Speaker:I'm home. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker:The sign of the Southern Cross.
Speaker:Yes, really heavy song, man.
Speaker:I just love how the drums dictate the progression of the song
Speaker:and how both the bass and guitar seems to only color a song together,
Speaker:if you know what I mean, and Ron is vocals on top of this.
Speaker:Oh, my God. And it's laid back with his voice.
Speaker:And it's it's sort of like eerie, if you know what I mean.
Speaker:It's so it's I mean, I remember we talked about Ronnie.
Speaker:I saw him like a hundred episodes ago.
Speaker:I mean, he's done stuff since the fifties.
Speaker:I mean, you can hear the progression in his vocals,
Speaker:but it's it's sort of like he opens up his mouth and there is something.
Speaker:Just awesome, epic coming out.
Speaker:And I don't know. I don't know what the man does.
Speaker:It's my God.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker:I mean, it's it's what what he you listen to that that Ronnie and
Speaker:and the red caps and all that like you listen to that early stuff
Speaker:and what he did up until his his last day.
Speaker:It's just it's the same, but it's different.
Speaker:And like you said a minute ago, because there anything this guy can't fucking sing.
Speaker:And I don't I wouldn't want to try to sing country.
Speaker:But I do think he could probably sing country if he wanted to.
Speaker:Yeah, better than country singers.
Speaker:I bet. Yeah, I mean, it's fucking insane.
Speaker:And it's it's crazy because people I don't think that people really know
Speaker:how good this this man is.
Speaker:I mean, people like you and I listen to to Sabbath and D of course.
Speaker:But people on the broader scale, they don't know.
Speaker:I guess I was listened to a Swedish podcast with his like famous producer.
Speaker:And he said and and the guy who was who was like
Speaker:it was his podcast and this producer was invited to be a guest.
Speaker:And the guy who who runs the podcast, he's some metalhead like you and I.
Speaker:So he talked about like Saxon and and Dio and so forth.
Speaker:And and he said, oh, I don't like that with with dragons and swords and demons.
Speaker:And and that that that's just crap.
Speaker:And those guys, they can't sing for real.
Speaker:And he mentioned Dio and I thought, oh, what the hell?
Speaker:I mean, have you listened to his voice?
Speaker:I mean, even though you're not a metalhead,
Speaker:you you you have to be able to to spot his greatness in in some way.
Speaker:Don't you think?
Speaker:I yeah, how can you how can you not?
Speaker:It's it's it's it's all right there.
Speaker:I mean, seriously, like there are our non metal,
Speaker:non rock artists that I can listen to.
Speaker:That it's like, OK, that's this is not my flavor.
Speaker:But this is good stuff.
Speaker:Yeah, the vocalist is good or the guitarist is good or whatever it is.
Speaker:Right. You know, I was in Nashville a couple years ago.
Speaker:And obviously that there's a lot of country there.
Speaker:And I heard a lot of country music and I hate country.
Speaker:But I did hear a lot of talented bands there.
Speaker:I mean, there there's so much talent in Nashville.
Speaker:It's insane.
Speaker:And for somebody to hear Ronnie Dio sing and be like, no,
Speaker:like I can't sing, I'm like.
Speaker:I mean, it's insane. No, no, no.
Speaker:No, because I'm about being wrong.
Speaker:Yeah, you see, because if you take things down like like.
Speaker:You listen to voodoo or the sign of the Southern Cross and or whatnot.
Speaker:I mean, it's I don't know.
Speaker:How could you how could you say that the dude can sing?
Speaker:It's to me, it's it's mind blowing.
Speaker:I I mean.
Speaker:I don't I'm not a huge fan of Queen,
Speaker:but I can recognize recognize Freddie Mercury's voice
Speaker:because that dude can sing or could.
Speaker:I mean, it's insane.
Speaker:He he is is really talented.
Speaker:I mean, and it's like you say with Nashville and country music and whatnot.
Speaker:But you can spot a person that knows how to.
Speaker:Hold his own with tone and and vocal range and and whatnot.
Speaker:And to say that I don't like Ronnie James Dio,
Speaker:because it's all about dungeons and dragons and swords and and and heaven and hell
Speaker:and and whatnot.
Speaker:Then you haven't haven't listened to that kind of music.
Speaker:I mean, it's you don't have to like it, but you should know the appreciated.
Speaker:Right. Yeah, and respect it.
Speaker:I mean, you you listen to this song, the Son of the Southern Cross,
Speaker:and you tell me this is not a phenomenal song.
Speaker:You tell me that the vocals on here are bad.
Speaker:I mean.
Speaker:He transitions from these high notes to the low deep notes.
Speaker:Yeah. It's just amazing.
Speaker:The range that this.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I was thinking about it.
Speaker:The range.
Speaker:Like it's just incredible that this song is just oh, it's got such a great groove.
Speaker:It doesn't really feel like a Sabbath song to me.
Speaker:No, but at the same time, it feels like heaven and hell's
Speaker:the song heaven and hell's like cousin.
Speaker:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker:Oh, yeah. Related to like heaven and hell.
Speaker:And I it's the solos got this psychedelic thing going on.
Speaker:Um, it's just, I don't know.
Speaker:It's sort of like days of confused in a way that the song is so multi layer.
Speaker:It's it's it's got this whole like it starts off with this acoustic thing.
Speaker:And then it's just it's just insane.
Speaker:Like the the the journey that this song takes you on.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And then when when you and that's even without the vocals.
Speaker:And then you layer Ronnie's vocals on top of that.
Speaker:It's just yeah, fucking hell.
Speaker:It just takes it to a whole nother fucking level.
Speaker:So yeah, anybody that cannot appreciate that.
Speaker:I don't know what to say. No.
Speaker:I guess go back to listening to fucking Post Malone and.
Speaker:Oh, my God.
Speaker:Oh, Jesus.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Moving along.
Speaker:E 51 50 an instrumental track.
Speaker:What do you think?
Speaker:I like how the guitar or whatever it is fades in from the last song into this one.
Speaker:Yeah, I'm not exactly sure what the song is.
Speaker:No, it's like some David Bowie instrumental kind of thing going on.
Speaker:I don't know. I could I could have done without it.
Speaker:But do you know what I think it's
Speaker:I agree with you to a certain point, but this is like typical Sabbath
Speaker:to do put this on an album.
Speaker:And I think it's I listen to it back to back a couple of times to just to make
Speaker:I mean, I was like you.
Speaker:What the hell is this?
Speaker:And I think it's a great build up to the next song.
Speaker:I think it's sort of like it transcends into it's that mystical
Speaker:stuff that Sabbath's got about him, if you know what I mean.
Speaker:Yeah, I first wasn't keen on it, but but I think it's grown on me.
Speaker:It's sort of like I you talked about this with with I think it was
Speaker:Savatash that we did.
Speaker:There was a song that I thought was what the hell is this?
Speaker:And then you thought, well, this is a great build up to the next.
Speaker:Yes, like an intro sort of.
Speaker:Yes, not an intro. Yeah.
Speaker:But I guess I could see that.
Speaker:I guess. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah. And speaking of the next song.
Speaker:The Mop rules, the Mop rules, man.
Speaker:I don't know what to say.
Speaker:I'm a lost words here.
Speaker:I just love everything about this song, the vocals, the lyrics, the drums,
Speaker:the guitar, the solos, all of it.
Speaker:One of my all time favorite songs.
Speaker:I almost shit my pants when I when I when I actually got to see
Speaker:Heaven and Hell do this live, I get to see Black Sabbath with fucking Ron James
Speaker:Dio and I and crossed that off my list, both with Aussie and Dio.
Speaker:Jesus, my God, but Dio to hear him sing these songs live
Speaker:with Tony I owe me.
Speaker:I mean, Vinny Apasey, Giselle Butler.
Speaker:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:What do you have to say for yourself, man?
Speaker:What?
Speaker:I mean, I know it's a classic.
Speaker:Everybody loves it.
Speaker:I know I'm in a minority.
Speaker:I just it's a good song.
Speaker:It's it's like the first one, right?
Speaker:It's.
Speaker:It's nothing extraordinary.
Speaker:I mean, I think it wasn't for Ronnie singing.
Speaker:The song wouldn't actually be good.
Speaker:I don't think we wouldn't talk about this.
Speaker:If if Ronnie wasn't singing, we're not talking about this.
Speaker:I mean, Ronnie, Ronnie may all the mediocre tracks on this record.
Speaker:Yeah, Ronnie, if it wasn't for Ronnie, they'd be duds.
Speaker:Yeah, be shit songs.
Speaker:Let's be honest.
Speaker:They'd be and I mean, it's good.
Speaker:It's got all the it's got attitude.
Speaker:It's got Tony's great guitar work.
Speaker:It checks all the boxes, but yeah, it's just nothing.
Speaker:It's not Black Sabbath worthy.
Speaker:And the only worthy part of this is Ronnie's vocals.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:Hmm, I don't see it.
Speaker:I don't see it.
Speaker:It's a it's a classic epic song.
Speaker:And you're wrong once again.
Speaker:Ha, ha, ha.
Speaker:But you're entitled to have to have your opinion.
Speaker:Once again, you're entitled to be wrong.
Speaker:You're entitled to be wrong.
Speaker:Well, I well, yeah, OK.
Speaker:I did not expect that, but but still.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So no mob rules for you and no turn on the night.
Speaker:Well, I mean, I'll listen to them.
Speaker:It's it's not like like I said, they're they're they're OK songs.
Speaker:They're they're not bad songs.
Speaker:I don't get me wrong.
Speaker:Don't don't take it like this is another Black Album thing.
Speaker:I'm not saying these are bad songs.
Speaker:They're not just it's that I feel that they're not great songs.
Speaker:They're not songs that I would expect Black Sabbath to put out.
Speaker:These these would be great songs by another band,
Speaker:but not by the talent that is in this lineup right here.
Speaker:No, I don't think I don't think this is a great song for for who's
Speaker:putting this together.
Speaker:OK, I think we're going to quickly move into the next one.
Speaker:I'm a girl. OK, let it rip.
Speaker:Coming to girl.
Speaker:What the fuck is this?
Speaker:Yeah, somebody I listen to this thing like four times
Speaker:while getting ready for the show.
Speaker:And I I can't wrap my head around this.
Speaker:I'm not I have no idea what they were going for with this one.
Speaker:Part of me does like it.
Speaker:Yeah, the other part of me is like, what the fuck are we doing with this thing?
Speaker:Yeah, it sort of has an anthem feel, but then it doesn't.
Speaker:The I don't know.
Speaker:It's it's a weird it's a weird fucking song.
Speaker:Yeah, it's a real modest song to me.
Speaker:I I mean, it sounds amazing when Ronnie sings it.
Speaker:But I don't know what they're aiming for with this one.
Speaker:I like it when he drops down around like the two minute mark.
Speaker:Great guitar solo, but that's about it.
Speaker:Not my favorite song, but I think still decent.
Speaker:But I I had to listen to it a couple of times.
Speaker:I was a long time ago.
Speaker:I listen to it so.
Speaker:But it's I don't know.
Speaker:I don't I agree with you.
Speaker:I don't know what's going on here.
Speaker:Yeah, I'm a sweet girl and the title, too.
Speaker:Yeah, country girl.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Slip it away.
Speaker:Yeah, this one.
Speaker:I'm interested what you think of this one, because we're going to go back
Speaker:when I get my chance to talk about this, we're going to go back to something
Speaker:you said a little earlier.
Speaker:So I'm really curious to see what.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:What to say.
Speaker:I love the heavy drama intro with that backbeat thing.
Speaker:I get the blue sea touch of it.
Speaker:I think the chorus is great.
Speaker:Awesome playing by by both I owe me Ronnie and Vinnie and Geaser.
Speaker:It seems to have fun with this one.
Speaker:There's something going on there.
Speaker:I think it's a great song.
Speaker:You do.
Speaker:You think it's a great song.
Speaker:OK, I do.
Speaker:And you don't.
Speaker:This one reminds me of a Queen song that would have been on the record, the game
Speaker:that Sabbath covered.
Speaker:Oh, I actually I think even the solo has like a Brian May kind of vibe feel to it.
Speaker:Oh, so that's why I was curious to see if you like that, because you're not a Queen fan.
Speaker:No, obviously, the vocals are completely different.
Speaker:So I'm not trying to compare this to Freddie Mercury versus Ronnie Dio.
Speaker:Just in the music part of it, I think this sounds like Queen quite a bit.
Speaker:So I like I think it's a good song.
Speaker:I mean, I guess the game is one of my favorite Queen records.
Speaker:So I think this song would have fit right in on that record.
Speaker:I dig it.
Speaker:I like it.
Speaker:Yeah, I haven't heard of the game.
Speaker:The game.
Speaker:It's the one that's got another one by Stadaston.
Speaker:Oh, from I think it's 1980.
Speaker:I think it came out.
Speaker:If I remember right, 80 81.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So yeah, this is better than Country Girl.
Speaker:Oh, hell yeah.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Hello, country girl.
Speaker:Slipping away with my country girl.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I don't know either.
Speaker:No, but it's not the edge of the world.
Speaker:Oh, falling off the edge of the world.
Speaker:No, no, no.
Speaker:What can I say?
Speaker:What can you say about this one?
Speaker:OK, you go first.
Speaker:I'm scared right now.
Speaker:I think like Sabah and the rules.
Speaker:I think this foreshadows the band, Heaven and Hell.
Speaker:OK, I think what that record that they put out is Heaven and Hell.
Speaker:I think this song like foreshadowed that
Speaker:it kind of has in structure and song structure.
Speaker:It reminds me a lot of the Bible Black on that record.
Speaker:Yeah, I love the way it kind of starts off mellow
Speaker:like the Bible Black did and then gets really heavy.
Speaker:The riff once it speeds up is just freaking awesome.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:There's some about this one that just hits me.
Speaker:I love it.
Speaker:I think it's awesome.
Speaker:I think it's a great song.
Speaker:I'm so scared right now.
Speaker:So I'm just afraid that you're going to say.
Speaker:But no, there's no there's no big but at the end of this.
Speaker:It reminds me of Dylan's album back in 1969,
Speaker:where he's in anything to me.
Speaker:He's really me.
Speaker:He's in the name.
Speaker:I don't know what I don't think I would ever compare Ronnie James
Speaker:the old to Bob Dylan.
Speaker:No, no, if I ever do that, just shoot you now.
Speaker:Just just yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:No, no, no, I agree.
Speaker:This is for me, this is an epic song.
Speaker:This is like what what they're meant to do.
Speaker:Everything is so well thought out.
Speaker:The heavy drums with the IOMIS classic guitar,
Speaker:if like you mentioned before, and in that long intro thing,
Speaker:where I mean, it's it blows my mind every time I hear it.
Speaker:And then when it starts out, you can really hear how.
Speaker:Pure brilliance in Geese or buttholes playing how well he's.
Speaker:I mean, he's he doesn't get credit enough for his base playing,
Speaker:I think I agree.
Speaker:And it's and for his arrangements.
Speaker:It's it's a it's a so well written song.
Speaker:It's it scares me sometimes.
Speaker:I mean, it's fuck me.
Speaker:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker:This and like I proof that what was the name of that?
Speaker:Was it just having in hell?
Speaker:What was the name of that record?
Speaker:They did.
Speaker:May heaven and out blank.
Speaker:Yeah, was it just was it self titled?
Speaker:Yeah, at any rate, I think that one.
Speaker:That that's one of my favorite
Speaker:right Black Sabbath records with this lineup in it.
Speaker:Yeah, right.
Speaker:With the Olaan vocals and stuff.
Speaker:I think this is really and like I said, this one foreshadows it.
Speaker:So it's definitely one of my favorites on the record.
Speaker:It's a great song.
Speaker:Epic song. OK, so we're at the last one already.
Speaker:Yes. Are they going to go out in style?
Speaker:We don't know over what it's it's it's it's up to Phil at the moment.
Speaker:Are they going out in style or what?
Speaker:What do you have to say for yourself over and over?
Speaker:A fucking ballot.
Speaker:Yes, you're going to end this thing with a fucking ballot.
Speaker:Why? Why would you do this?
Speaker:The the only redeeming part of this show of a fucking song is
Speaker:Ronnie Dio's vocals and that's it.
Speaker:I mean, you I mentioned Ronnie and the Red Caps earlier.
Speaker:I feel like this really you could hear Ronnie's pull from that era of singing.
Speaker:And which just shows you that, you know, he can sing anything
Speaker:whenever he wants, whatever style he can just pull it out and do.
Speaker:Yeah, he's that talented.
Speaker:I think it's it's a very disappointing way to end the record.
Speaker:But at least it's aptly named over and over again.
Speaker:As Phil demolished the mob rules into the oblivion, the abuse of death.
Speaker:No more black Sabbath, no more mob rules for Phil,
Speaker:freaking boy from Idaho.
Speaker:We'll see. We'll see.
Speaker:I don't give it a final thought yet.
Speaker:But what do you think of this this this ballot?
Speaker:I think it's I think it's a great.
Speaker:A really heavy and powerful ending to this.
Speaker:I don't hear the the the ballot thing like you do.
Speaker:But I think that every time a song slows down for you, it's a ballot.
Speaker:No, I don't think so.
Speaker:I mean, there's mellow stuff.
Speaker:I can there's a lot of trying to think one.
Speaker:And of course, I can't off the top of my head.
Speaker:But there's there's mellow stuff.
Speaker:There's we talked about some of the sabotage.
Speaker:There's some some mellow stuff on there that that.
Speaker:Yeah. So there's.
Speaker:Some even mellow or stuff that Queens right does that that I enjoy.
Speaker:I think again.
Speaker:I just it feels like a ballot to me when, when, especially when compared
Speaker:to the rest of the songs on the record.
Speaker:Yeah, that I can agree upon.
Speaker:But but no, I don't think it's a ballot per se.
Speaker:I it's heavy stuff.
Speaker:It's it's powerful.
Speaker:And I think it's a I mean, of course, they could have ended it with with a with a
Speaker:bang, but I think still it's it's sort of like it gets closer to it.
Speaker:And I think it's a it's a it's a great song.
Speaker:And and I think Ronnie does a great job with the vocals and and together
Speaker:with Tony, it's and Geese around in its bits.
Speaker:I think it's a great one.
Speaker:It's a strong way to end it.
Speaker:It could have been stronger, but I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker:I think it's it's it's it's an OK song to to end the album.
Speaker:But.
Speaker:So final thoughts for Phil freaking Boyer from the land of Down Under.
Speaker:Seven seven for ten seven for ten.
Speaker:And it only gets that high because it's Ronnie.
Speaker:Oh, I like the heaven.
Speaker:The album Heaven and Hell record better and I like the band Heaven and Hell
Speaker:Yeah, then then this one, this one was over all it was a disappointment.
Speaker:It's got good songs on it.
Speaker:I expected more from this record to be honest.
Speaker:And maybe that's on me.
Speaker:I expected too much from this, especially after Heaven and Hell.
Speaker:But yeah, it gets a seven for ten, so it doesn't get that bad of a rating.
Speaker:It's not it's not a ten for ten, but no.
Speaker:No. So what do you got?
Speaker:I I mean, I just regret that it was only two albums with with Dio on vocals.
Speaker:So I hold this one in also in high regards.
Speaker:And it is because of of Ronnie.
Speaker:Still doing the best he can with with what.
Speaker:Was an epic band from 1970 up until 1978, 79 before Ronnie joined the band.
Speaker:And it's I mean, how could you possibly do vocals for a band like Black Sabbath
Speaker:and get away with it?
Speaker:Well, Ronnie could, I think.
Speaker:So, I mean, and when I saw there is.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I think it's Gibson that did a show called Icons.
Speaker:And it's featuring a lot of artists and guitar players.
Speaker:And and they had Tony Iome.
Speaker:And he said, well, when when I met first met Ronnie
Speaker:and heard what he could do with my songs, it's sort of like it opened up to a whole new thing.
Speaker:He could do all this.
Speaker:All this crazy stuff that I could only dream of as a guitar player.
Speaker:That that stuff he could sing.
Speaker:So for me, it's both heaven and hell.
Speaker:And mob rules are sort of like almost equal to the task.
Speaker:But it's mainly because of Ronnie, of course.
Speaker:So I have to give this.
Speaker:I rated it a 10 out of 10, not because of the songs, but the whole package
Speaker:that Ronnie comes with to make Black Sabbath so interesting.
Speaker:I mean, both mob rules and and and heaven and hell are like epic albums.
Speaker:And people are going apeshit about the Aussies quitting the band
Speaker:and they throw them out or whatnot and how dare they.
Speaker:But I cannot think of a Black Sabbath fan that doesn't like some stuff that Ronnie did.
Speaker:I mean, how often is that even possible to change a lead singer like that and get away with it?
Speaker:It's it's extremely rare.
Speaker:I think we've in our lifetime, we've really only seen it what three times?
Speaker:Yeah, you see Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden.
Speaker:Yeah. I mean, you look at priests.
Speaker:I mean, one could argue Ripper was a really good replacement for Halford.
Speaker:But the Ripper wasn't.
Speaker:He was a copy.
Speaker:He was a carbon copy.
Speaker:Oh, yeah. Really.
Speaker:And he wasn't Rob Halford.
Speaker:He didn't have the same showmanship that Rob has.
Speaker:So I wouldn't count.
Speaker:But once you know, I mean, you look at Queens, Reich with
Speaker:I've drawn a blank on his name.
Speaker:He's also pretty much a carbon copy of of Jeff Tate.
Speaker:Right. Yeah. He's not.
Speaker:I mean, he's still a great performer.
Speaker:I think he's he's better than Ripper was.
Speaker:But and he's not bad.
Speaker:But it's still.
Speaker:No, it still doesn't really.
Speaker:It's not the epicness you had with with Brian Johnson and Bruce
Speaker:Dickinson and Ronnie Dio.
Speaker:You just it's not the same.
Speaker:It's just not the same.
Speaker:It's just not that epic.
Speaker:Like.
Speaker:Like, how do you follow Ozzie?
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, that's what I'm running comes in.
Speaker:And it's it's it's a different band.
Speaker:If we're being on it and we talked about this,
Speaker:but it is a different band.
Speaker:Like the music did change.
Speaker:Like where Black Sabbath was at the end with Ozzie,
Speaker:that became Ozzie's solo stuff.
Speaker:Right. Yeah.
Speaker:And then when Ronnie came on board,
Speaker:it became the new era of Black Sabbath.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I'm with you.
Speaker:I'm very disappointed that it was only the two records
Speaker:that that we had.
Speaker:I love what you said a minute ago when you said he made it
Speaker:interesting.
Speaker:Yeah, it's true.
Speaker:He made he took these songs and he gave them a different
Speaker:set.
Speaker:He gave it a life, if you will.
Speaker:Yeah, it gave it some kind of personality.
Speaker:It really animated the song in a way that that Ozzie couldn't
Speaker:do.
Speaker:Ozzie was a great.
Speaker:He was great with Sabbath.
Speaker:I love all those records with Oz.
Speaker:He don't get me wrong.
Speaker:I'm not saying Ozzie sucks and should be banned like
Speaker:Post Malone.
Speaker:I'm saying Ronnie was a whole different ball game and
Speaker:those songs were a completely different thing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I agree.
Speaker:I mean, yeah, well,
Speaker:to, I mean, we're only able to pin down like three
Speaker:three bands.
Speaker:That's crazy.
Speaker:That had that change and Ronnie was one of them.
Speaker:I mean, how epic is that?
Speaker:Jesus, I mean, and then and then he progressed into doing
Speaker:his own thing.
Speaker:And that was like almost even better.
Speaker:But but it's also different.
Speaker:But he, I mean, the dude couldn't reinvent himself all
Speaker:the time.
Speaker:Rainbow, Black Sabbath, his own band.
Speaker:A was a three epic musical projects, if you know what
Speaker:I mean, and he made them fly all of them.
Speaker:Yeah, he was he was an amazing dude.
Speaker:And, you know, it was I don't really get sad when
Speaker:celebrities die.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I don't get personally invested.
Speaker:But when Dio's death, you know, when I heard of Dio's
Speaker:death, that did hit me because there was so much talent
Speaker:in that dude.
Speaker:And to not have any more from that guy was really sad to
Speaker:me that that I agree.
Speaker:He was such a performer and such a lover of his fans.
Speaker:And just he always gave 110%.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And it was really sad to see that go away.
Speaker:I totally agree.
Speaker:So sad.
Speaker:So sad.
Speaker:And and and that's why I like that we're, you know, this
Speaker:rendition of sounds on vinyl is is we're celebrating him and
Speaker:what he accomplished with Black Sabbath.
Speaker:And yeah, I am glad too that he was able to come back to
Speaker:Black Sabbath later on and do that Heaven and Hell record.
Speaker:And we got the other chance to hear this.
Speaker:This yeah, this group come together again and do some
Speaker:really great stuff.
Speaker:And yeah, and I couldn't like if you think of those songs on
Speaker:that Heaven and Hell record to hear Ozzy on those, they
Speaker:wouldn't be the same.
Speaker:No, no, no, they wouldn't be able to make an album like that
Speaker:with Aussie.
Speaker:No way.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:Mob rules.
Speaker:Woohoo.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:And now people.
Speaker:We have we have not one but two major announcements.
Speaker:So yes, this was to be the final last sounds on vinyl episode.
Speaker:Which is why I said earlier we were going to end where we
Speaker:began.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:However, however.
Speaker:There's been some developments.
Speaker:There has been some things that have gone down over the last
Speaker:couple of weeks.
Speaker:And Mike is here to tell us all about what those developments
Speaker:are.
Speaker:So oh, yeah.
Speaker:We're at the moment we're planning on doing a show in
Speaker:Swedish, which is going to be sort of like similar, but not.
Speaker:That's make any sense at all.
Speaker:Are we going to talk about music, of course, we're going to
Speaker:talk about vinyl records.
Speaker:It's going to be mainly focused on more like local bands.
Speaker:And of course, on my record store, the sounds on vinyl
Speaker:record store.
Speaker:Because I got asked.
Speaker:I'm not going to go into details.
Speaker:I got asked to do a podcast in Swedish.
Speaker:And with the blessing from Mr. Phil Boyer, I am going to do
Speaker:this one in Swedish.
Speaker:I don't know how many episodes it's going to be recorded, but
Speaker:it's we're going to try it out and see if it's going to fly.
Speaker:And if it's not, well, fuck you.
Speaker:So it's going to live on in a smaller scale, but it's going
Speaker:to be here.
Speaker:But I think you still need to go back and listen to a lot of
Speaker:the great episodes that we have done over the years, Phil
Speaker:and I. And speaking of Black Sabbath, we did some stuff
Speaker:with Dio.
Speaker:So go check that out.
Speaker:We had great guests on our show, Phil Schaus, who played with
Speaker:both Gene Simmons' band and his Freely band.
Speaker:He's a great guy, a huge Beatles fan.
Speaker:We had Janet Schaffer, who was the guitar player for ABBA.
Speaker:We had Matthew Barson.
Speaker:Phil, who was that guy?
Speaker:The vinyl diplomat.
Speaker:He was the guy.
Speaker:He was the ambassador for both the US and later in Sweden.
Speaker:And his claim to fame was he would use vinyl records.
Speaker:He had a player and a bunch of records in his office that he
Speaker:would play and invite any guests and diplomats that he would
Speaker:have to meet with.
Speaker:He'd say, hey, go pick a record and put it on.
Speaker:And we'll listen to it as we chat, which I think is just
Speaker:fricking awesome.
Speaker:I think it's such a great idea.
Speaker:And maybe the world would be a better place if more
Speaker:diplomats did that.
Speaker:And he had guests like Annie Lennox from the Olympics.
Speaker:Oh, that story was so awesome.
Speaker:There's a lot of people that come to my store
Speaker:and talked about the podcast.
Speaker:And there is a lot of people that mentioned the vinyl diplomat
Speaker:episode of Matthew Barson.
Speaker:And they said, oh my god, I couldn't believe it,
Speaker:like Annie Lennox and who else?
Speaker:I don't remember.
Speaker:But that was a great episode.
Speaker:That was a great episode.
Speaker:That was a lot of fun, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You got any other favorites?
Speaker:That--
Speaker:[SIGHS]
Speaker:Just some happiness.
Speaker:I will say this.
Speaker:I've been doing a music-related show off and on since 2005.
Speaker:And it's been so much fun to do that, meeting so many cool
Speaker:people, you, for instance.
Speaker:But doing this show is completely different than any
Speaker:of the music shows I've done before.
Speaker:And it's been a great journey talking about these records
Speaker:like we just did, right?
Speaker:You like these songs, and I don't like these songs.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:To say I have a favorite would be like, OK, what's
Speaker:my favorite kid?
Speaker:They're all a lot of fun.
Speaker:I've learned a lot.
Speaker:It's to have soren on for the entire season
Speaker:and learn all about that.
Speaker:And it's just to be able to have those connections
Speaker:with those people and the music.
Speaker:And it's just, I don't know.
Speaker:It's-- I feel very fortunate to be
Speaker:able to have that experience, to be
Speaker:able to talk to people all around the world
Speaker:and share the love of metal music and hard rock music
Speaker:and stuff like that.
Speaker:And while we made this agree on this song or that song
Speaker:or whatever album or band, at the end of the day,
Speaker:we can get together and have some whiskey
Speaker:and really enjoy the music that we all love together.
Speaker:And so this has been a really fun run for me
Speaker:as co-host of this thing.
Speaker:And I'm glad we gave it a go.
Speaker:I'm really glad.
Speaker:I mean, I don't even know how many episodes we have,
Speaker:but it's like 170, I think it is, something like that,
Speaker:or 150 somewhere.
Speaker:It's-- we've got-- we had a really awesome run.
Speaker:And it's-- in a way, it's sad that this format here
Speaker:is ending, but it's also very exciting that you've
Speaker:got this Swedish version coming.
Speaker:I think that's awesome, you know,
Speaker:that we're going to tweak it a little bit
Speaker:and dive into the more independent stuff.
Speaker:And I think that's really cool.
Speaker:So--
Speaker:And who knows?
Speaker:Maybe Phil is willing to be a guest on that Swedish episode.
Speaker:I mean, who knows?
Speaker:Anything can happen.
Speaker:Because you know what?
Speaker:We fucking decide what's going to air and what's not.
Speaker:So we're in complete control.
Speaker:I don't know if I could do the Swedish part.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:You'll need Swedish subtitles.
Speaker:Speak in English.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And you can have the Swedish subtitles.
Speaker:I mean, we'll do one in English just for--
Speaker:Or I'll get like 11 labs to like do my voice,
Speaker:but do it in Swedish.
Speaker:We'll just do it.
Speaker:That would be fun.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No, yeah.
Speaker:I mean, I think it's great.
Speaker:That's what I love about this kind of thing,
Speaker:is we can do whatever the fuck we want.
Speaker:We can end it or not end it.
Speaker:And we can end one way and take it
Speaker:to a whole other direction.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:It's awesome.
Speaker:It is.
Speaker:So keep listening to the Sounds on Vinyl show.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:More details to come.
Speaker:So keep your eye out.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:For this.
Speaker:And for the second announcement.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:The second announcement.
Speaker:So Mike and I and my wife, we're
Speaker:going to be working on a brand new show.
Speaker:It's called "Contrete and Steel."
Speaker:It's nothing at all like this show or the "News
Speaker:Sounds on Vinyl" show.
Speaker:It's a fiction based show about a musical duo
Speaker:called "Contrete and Steel," which my wife, Kate, and I
Speaker:will play those characters.
Speaker:Mike is going to play multiple characters,
Speaker:including himself.
Speaker:He's going to be Mike the Record Store Guy.
Speaker:Some of the episodes will take place in the Record Store,
Speaker:in Mike's Record Store.
Speaker:The Record Store is going to be somewhat of a character
Speaker:in and of itself.
Speaker:It's going to be really fun the way we bring the Record
Speaker:Store to life in this.
Speaker:But basically, it's about this duo that's really famous
Speaker:in Scandinavia, but they're virtually unknown everywhere
Speaker:else.
Speaker:But they think they're big.
Speaker:They think they're big everywhere.
Speaker:They have this big ego, right?
Speaker:So it's a comedy podcast.
Speaker:It's comedy.
Speaker:It's music.
Speaker:You could think of it as Spinal Tap meets the monkeys,
Speaker:the old monkeys TV show, if you're familiar with that,
Speaker:with a little tiny slice of Ted Lasso.
Speaker:That's how I would describe this.
Speaker:There's going to be original music from "Contrete and Steel."
Speaker:And did I mention that this is animated?
Speaker:This is going to be an animated TV show.
Speaker:So this isn't really going to be a podcast.
Speaker:This is going to be an animated video show that we're doing.
Speaker:I'm going to be doing all the animation for it.
Speaker:We've started development on it, but it's very early day.
Speaker:So I'm not going to tell you anymore.
Speaker:It's going to be it.
Speaker:I'm not going to ruin it.
Speaker:I'm not going to say any more about it.
Speaker:But that'll be coming soon.
Speaker:And I personally can't fucking wait because Mike is a--
Speaker:I joke all the time in the beat.
Speaker:Like he's this lead singer, extraordinary guy.
Speaker:And he does that brilliantly.
Speaker:He's awesome at that.
Speaker:As a musician, he's fucking top notch.
Speaker:But as an actor, as a voice actor, he's also very good.
Speaker:He worked with us on a podcast called "A Walk in Darkness."
Speaker:And he played a character called Snor,
Speaker:who was an old Viking guy back in the day.
Speaker:And that was a lot of fun to do that.
Speaker:And that was just more of a small recurring role.
Speaker:So with this, it's going to be really fun to work with.
Speaker:Oh, stop it.
Speaker:I'm blushing right now.
Speaker:Stop it.
Speaker:It's going to be awesome.
Speaker:I can't fucking wait.
Speaker:And yeah, so stay tuned for that.
Speaker:Well, Mike and I will keep you updated.
Speaker:So this podcast feed that you're listening to,
Speaker:it's going to get real fun over the next few months.
Speaker:So keep listening.
Speaker:Keep subscribed because you'll get the new "Sans Anvino"
Speaker:show in Swedish.
Speaker:You'll get the updates on the concrete and steel stuff.
Speaker:You'll get all kinds of fun stuff.
Speaker:So it's going to be a blast.
Speaker:Lots of cool stuff coming on.
Speaker:So at one hand, I'm a little sad that this is ending.
Speaker:But at the other side, I'm very excited about what's coming,
Speaker:what's new in the future.
Speaker:And yeah.
Speaker:Yes, and swing by the "Sans Anvino" record store.
Speaker:You might as well.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:It's located at Krusighöten, Sjukerträg in Malmo, Sweden.
Speaker:So come by, get your free coffee and some cookies,
Speaker:and you talk about music.
Speaker:And you-- yeah, well, you shoot the shit and buy some records.
Speaker:Listen to them.
Speaker:Why don't you?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm there every Thursdays between 4 PM to 7 PM on Saturdays
Speaker:between 11 AM to 2 PM.
Speaker:So just fucking Google it, and you'll find the record store
Speaker:in Malmo, Sweden.
Speaker:Make it happen.
Speaker:It's on Google Maps.
Speaker:You can Google Maps yourself there.
Speaker:And you can look at pictures.
Speaker:Are you allowed to Google Map yourself in public?
Speaker:Is that OK?
Speaker:Oh, yes.
Speaker:Should you keep that in private?
Speaker:I don't--
Speaker:Oh, I Google Maps myself all the time.
Speaker:It's only healthy for you, son.
Speaker:Yes, it's healthy.
Speaker:Don't believe the myth that you'll go blind by Google
Speaker:Maps yourself.
Speaker:Oh, cool.
Speaker:Oh, man.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:Well, I guess we have to end it, don't we?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Keep your ears to the ground for what's to come.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Until we see you again.
Speaker:Later later